YES! Well, there goes any chance of a conservative vote! If you think about it, at one point in this country's history, African-American slaves sometimes weren't allowed to marry each other. We have not come far enough to ensure every citizen is treated equally.
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He was never gonna get a conservative vote anyway.
true that
I don't think he had the conservative vote last time around either.
If he loses because of this, perhaps in history he'll be written as the President that showed the rest of the world what a rotten country we really are when it comes to issues like this…
This is bait.
I disagree. Not all Conservatives are fundamental weirdos. Some of them are actually quite progressive. It's not fair to throw them all in one big bucket and say, they won't vote because they all believe x. In general, people are individuals. They may have some overriding reason to be Conservative, but there's a lot of middle ground. This issue may not even be important at all to some people.
On the other hand, I seriously doubt much of what Romney has to say. He's playing to the party and not being at all honest. Some of what he's done and said in the past belies the fact, and people don't generally do a full 180 degree turn in their opinions in a few short years.
Too little too late… he should have spoken up earlier and called to action all those in North Carolina who support marriage-equality.
Hurray for him. I am sick and tired of people using a religion based idea to make laws for everyone else to follow
Love my President!
I consider myself fairly fiscally conservative, but socially, well, that's a whole other story. This two-party plan we have here just doesn't work.
Finally, doing something I can be happy about. Good job, Obama.
I'm with you there +Lynette Young
im not gay but….GO GAYS!!!!
AND I feel religious views have NO PART in government. Part of the problem with this country, some people have lost sight of that.
That's why we should elect a libertarian.
+Lynette Young Ame…uhhh yeah you go girl! 😉
Does he propose any legislation? Is he going to send the Solicitor General down to the Supreme Court to argue against state bans on gay marriage? No. He is merely pimping the gay marriage issue to throw a little red meat to the people who vote from the pews so that everyone can see them behaving like dogs. It is pretty shameless but I suspect it will work.
Yes, I live in NC and I'm not gay, but I think its sad that bill passed. It actually has to potential to hurt more heterosexual couples than homosexual couples. Ohhh well, we do live in the Bible Belt I guess.
Republicans could steal this issue away from him by adhering to small government principles but they just won't do it. Truly sad.
16 homosexuals in the + button
"16 homosexuals in the + button" ? Who is counting? For the record I am heterosexual but firmly believe that homosexuals should have the same rights I am afforded.
+Michael Walden That guy? He wasn't born in the US! He isn't even living in the US! He's a troll.
explain that to Christ on Judgement day.
Your Jesus had nothing to say in regards to homosexuality…
+Ian Atkin Obama outsourced my job, thanks for asking by the way. And get out of the closet.
What is next? Polygamy? Same arguments used to allow gay marriage should be used to allow polygamy. "It is an absurd that in the 21th century people only can marry 1 people!".
he only said a man that lays with a man Is an abomination against God…
+Jack Jenkins That's Leviticus, written before Jesus was born.
Someone against gay marriage tell me in detail how gay marriage affects you personally. Bonus points if you can do it without bringing your, or anyone else's "god" into the argument.
+Jack Jenkins Interestingly enough, the same book also allows polygamy. Are you in support of polygamy?
Hey, where'd all these brick walls come from? Well, today I'm not banging my head on any of 'em. As all intelligent beings, I learn from my mistakes…
Good day to all.
Thats the only argument you have, thats bullshit, your all a bunch of queers have fun in hell.
Jesus said NOTHING in regards to homosexuality. Read just the red words instead of spouting off incorrectly….
you don't have long to wait
twist it anyway you want
+Jack Jenkins Try reading it before you accuse others of twisting it. Would you like the audio version?
+James Stilwell Canada allows gay marriage and polygamy. Everybody knows that supporting one you will be supporting the other. Hope you can support both or none.
+George Coelho I don't support any intervention in religious affairs by my government. What business is it of mine to tell anyone how they should behave in their private lives? Being free means "putting up" with behavior in others I might find distasteful or strange.
Still waiting to hear how gay marriage affects anyone against it in a personal way. Is that crickets I hear?
o.k. its all yours, you win, have it your way, but never let it be said, that you never knew better. its all yours and everything that goes with it. God have mercy on your sick souls.
Oh Lordy! I guess you religious types forgot to actually read your Bibles again… Here are some fun things that are expressly forbidden by the Big Man Himself:
1. Round haircuts. See you in Hell, Beatles… and/or kids with bowl cuts, surfer cuts or (my favorite) butt cuts. Leviticus 19:27 reads "You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard."
2. Football. At least, the pure version of football, where you play with a pigskin. The modern synthetic footballs are ugly and slippery anyways. Leviticus 11:8, which is discussing pigs, reads "You shall not eat of their flesh nor touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you."
And you're doubly breaking that if you wake up, eat some sausage then go throw around the football. Or go to the county fair and enter a greased pig catching contest.
3. Fortune telling. Before you call a 900 number (do people still call 900 numbers, by the way?), read your horoscope or crack open a fortune cookie, realize you're in huge trouble if you do.
Leviticus 19:31 reads "Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God." The penalty for that? Check Leviticus 20:6: "As for the person who turns to mediums and to spiritists, to play the harlot after them, I will also set My face against that person and will cut him off from among his people."
Seems like a lifetime of exile is a pretty harsh penalty for talking to Zoltar.
4. Pulling out (heh!) The Bible doesn't get too much into birth control… it's clearly pro-populating but, back when it was written, no one really anticipated the condom or the sponge, so those don't get specific bans.
But… pulling out does. One of the most famous sexual-oriented Bible verses… the one that's used as anti-masturbation rhetoric… is actually anti-pulling out.
It's Genesis 38:9-10: "Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother's wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord; so He took his life also."
Yep — pull out and get smote. That's harsh.
5. Banned.Tattoos. No tattoos. Leviticus 19:28 reads, "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord."
Not even a little butterfly on your ankle. Or Thug Life across your abdomen. Or even, fittingly enough, a cross.
6. Polyester, or any other fabric blends. The Bible doesn't want you to wear polyester. Not just because it looks cheap. It's sinfully unnatural.
Leviticus 19:19 reads, "You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed,nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together."
Check the tag on your shirt right now. Didn't realize you were mid-sin at this exact second, did you? (Unless you checked the tag by rolling off your neighbor's wife while you two were having anal sex in the middle of robbing a blind guy. Then your Lycra-spandex blend is really the least of your problems.)
7. Divorce. The Bible is very clear on this one: No divorcing. You can't do it. Because when you marry someone, according to Mark 10:8, you "are no longer two, but one flesh." And, Mark 10:9 reads, "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."
Mark gets even more hardcore about it a few verses later, in Mark 10:11-12, "And He said to them, 'Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.'"
8. Letting people without testicles into church. Whether you've been castrated or lost one or two balls to cancer isn't important. The Bible doesn't get that specific. It just says you can't pray.
Deuteronomy 23:1 reads (this is the God's Word translation, which spells it out better), "A man whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off may never join the assembly of the Lord."
Oh, and the next verse says that if you're a bastard, the child of a bastard… or even have a great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild of a bastard, you can't come to church or synagogue either. Deuteronomy 23:2 reads, "No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the Lord; none of his descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall enter the assembly of the Lord."
9. Wearing gold. 1 Timothy 2:9 doesn't like your gold necklace at all. Or your pearl necklace. Or any clothes you're wearing that you didn't get from Forever 21, Old Navy or H&M.
"Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly,not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments."
10. Lobster, shrimp and clam chowder: All banned.Shellfish. Leviticus 11:10 reads, "But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you." And shellfish is right in that wheelhouse.
Leviticus 11 bans a TON of animals from being eaten (it's THE basis for Kosher law); beyond shellfish and pig, it also says you can't eat camel, rock badger, rabbit, eagle, vulture, buzzard, falcon, raven, crow, ostrich, owl, seagull, hawk, pelican, stork, heron, bat, winged insects that walk on four legs unless they have joints to jump with like grasshoppers (?), bear, mole, mouse, lizard, gecko, crocodile, chameleon and snail.
Sorry if that totally ruins your plans to go to a rock badger eat-off this weekend.
11. Your wife defending your life in a fight by grabbing your attacker's genitals. No joke. Deuteronomy actually devotes two verses to this exact scenario: Deuteronomy 25:11-12.
"If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity."
That's impossible to misinterpret. Ladies, if your husband is getting mugged, make sure to kick the mugger in the pills. Do not do the grip and squeeze (no matter what "Miss Congeniality" might advise). Or your hand needs to be cut off.
Okay, my friends… get stuck into that!
+Jack Jenkins Hate mongering and judgement are the marks of a truly sick soul…get yourself healed.
will a priest be jailed after refusing marry a gay couple? How far will the government going to hurt my belief and pressure me to live a lifestyle that their want me to do. Because that is what is about. Is about the freedom of choice. I am not against gays, i am against lack of freedom.
If you don't believe in The Bible, you won't make it…and you will not experience peace that passes all understanding.
All of History as we know it is God allowing sinfull man to prove once and for all Man can not govern himself. A theocracy is comming where God will rule.
Equal rights to everyone = supporting polygamy
Well it appears that all rational discussion has left this post and been replaced with imaginary friend topics. On to the next discussion…
+Brian Morenz "The Handmaid's Tale" is just a book and movie. It's not real life, nor will it ever be.
Besides, I'm still pulling my tongue outta my throat from some of the comments made by +George Coelho. He's a blast! He doesn't want to allow gay marriage… because he's, "against a lack of freedom." WTF?!? Well, I don't know where they taught you that kind of logic, but you go… um… away. Please.
+Michael Walden you don't respect the beliefs of others and want they to respect yours ?
+Michael Walden Ya right. The loonies have taken hold… and they won't let go.
You know how the pilgrims came to America to get away from the church and its craziness? Well, beside the irony of all that, d'ya suppose there might actually be a return trip some day? 😉
+George Coelho Could a priest be jailed for marrying a man to his brother's widow? Of course not. Now one here is advocating forcing priests to do anything. This is about states imposing gender restrictions on a civil contract.
No, I do not respect any belief that says it's ok to judge others. And no, I do not require or desire anyone's respect.
+George Coelho What other civil contract can you name in the United States where the gender of the participants is an issue?
+xome wang how about your return trip ?
+George Coelho Man, you should quit… while you're behind. Almost nothing you say makes any sense at all. Being a single, straight guy… this gay marriage thing does not affect me at all. Why the hell should I care who gets married, and to whom?
What else do I need to ask your permission to do? Seems crazy to me. Your beliefs are inconsequential to anyone but yourself — at least that's how it operates pretty much everywhere else in the world. Except maybe China, Cuba, and a few other oppressive regimes. D'ya catch my drift?
+George Coelho Banning gay marriage is either a) a state intervention in a religious ritual or b) the only instance where gender is introduced as a requirement for participants in a civil agreement. Which is it?
+James Stilwell That is easy, Labor licensing!
+George Coelho What "labor license" is available to a man but not a woman? or vice versa?
+James Stilwell Do you want another besides that?
+George Coelho My question remains unanswered: To what "labor license" are you referring?
+James Stilwell only woman get labor license. That is after she gains a baby and take some days off.
+George Coelho What a joke. That's not a civil contract.
+George Coelho And ironically enough, under family medical leave legislation, a man can take the exact same leave if his wife has a baby.
+George Coelho I'm going to repeat my question:
Banning gay marriage is either a) a state intervention in a religious ritual or b) the only instance where gender is introduced as a requirement for participants in a civil agreement. Which is it??
This is a big negative to Google+..Too many people that don't care what they are saying because they don't think they will ever see the individuals they are speaking to in person. People start spouting off their personal opinions entirely too much and all regard for political correctness, personal feelings/whatever are out the window. Would be nice if people that didn't agree with something would just not post on it. That's theirs, I'll go post on someones comment that has the same point as me and we will have a productive conversation that isn't angry… Guess that's just my opinion though.
LOL @ Trolls. I love these kind of posts because everyone starts out by posting their well thought opinions and discusses them openly while accepting the differences of other persons involved. (Just to clarify, I enjoy the intelligent conversation part most.) Then the Trolls come in and prove just how sidetracked a decent conversation can get. It only enforces my #1 life rule, Do not argue with stupid people for they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.. one should also not argue with intelligent people acting in a stupid manner, the results are the same but with a larger vocabulary. Trolls are everywhere, on every forum and every post. Some are truly ignorant/stupid while others exist solely to ruin the discussion or raise aggression for their amusement.
+Jason DeFrain I'm voting for Romney. It's the only way to get the revolution started.
Is that the kind of thing you mean? 😉
le mariage hom osexuel est contre la nature.
+boualem areour Oh regarde! Un homophobe de langue Française!
+Xome Wang>.< I think that I'm going to vote for Danny Woodring.. mainly because he kind of looks like Milton from Office Space but also because he actually believes that he can bring common sense and creativity in to the government.. LOL Common sense!! if only sense was so common. =D Although on a more serious note Katherine Lang has some nice ideas however I do not like the fact that she is on the republican ticket.. I am firmly against any major party this election. Oh yea, LOL @ the French troll!
Ron Paul is the only choice for intelligent people that want real change.
Ron Paul is the only choice for intelligent people that want real change.
+Daniel Dunn yea, the prob with people voicing their true opinions is that some people done like them. I think if you have an opinion you are obligated to share it and back it up. Perhaps you would prefer a society where people are scared to speak their mind…for that I suggest moving to north Korea.
+Daniel Dunn yea, the prob with people voicing their true opinions is that some people done like them. I think if you have an opinion you are obligated to share it and back it up. Perhaps you would prefer a society where people are scared to speak their mind…for that I suggest moving to north Korea.
Yeah and since he's the front runner, let's get everyone to vote for Ron Paul…Ohhh yeahh he's not.. So that's kinda irrelevant
Yeah and since he's the front runner, let's get everyone to vote for Ron Paul…Ohhh yeahh he's not.. So that's kinda irrelevant
+Mike Cosmi , all change is "real" change and change is inevitable.. now whether or not it suits our individual goals is something to argue about. I firmly agree that ones opinion may not be agreed upon by others in the forum however if the thought behind the argument is clear and concise then it is more likely to gain a respectful disagreement. I believe that the point to posting anything in a public forum is to spark the sharing of opinions, individual perspectives and personal beliefs in an unrestricted forum. So long as the persons involved respectfully and thoughtfully present their argument with the understanding that it will be challenged and likely will not be accepted by all (if any) participants.
+Xome Wang I am proud of you assuming your homosexuality.
+Mike Cosmi Thanks, you're a prime example of what I am talking about…. For instance, I simply stated that one bad thing about google plus is that people look for confrontation and try to be assholes (like you in your post to me, telling me to move to North Korea) hahaha you are who I am talking about. If you have a valid logical point to make, then of course by all means, I encourage that type of behavior. However, combative and unwarranted comments by people that don't have enough of a life so they try to get attention (negative attention might I add) by saying outlandish things on peoples posts, that are completely and utterly unnecessary. Thanks again to people like +Mike Cosmi that want to ruin things for people due to their own short comings. "I suggest moving to north Korea", I suggest you thinking outside of the weee little box in that brain of yours and find something better/more productive to do with your time than pic arguments via the Internet. I don't think that is what Google developers had in mind when they created it. Supposed to be a place to collaborate and exchange ideas, not attack individuals that don't affect your immediate life. I suggest to you, try growing up, as with anyone that reads this that is guilty (you know who you are) of being this person described above and personified through +Mike Cosmi . Thanks buddy!
oohhhh PS, +Mike Cosmi Good luck to Ron Paul in 2012..Dumbass
One in six Obama's supporters is gay. Now i understand!
Obama's say makes me believe that animals are more civilized than some people!!
+George Coelho You're talking about people being intelligent and whatever else.. Well look at your comments. "One in six Obama's supports is gay. Now i understand!" While your comment was dumb, it should have read "One in six of Obama's supporters are gay. Now I understand!" Funny you think you're so smart yet you don't quite seem to know how to make use of verbs/nouns/adjectives. BTW you were talking about Obama outsourced your job. I'm not an Obama supporter nor a fan of Mitt Romney, but you do understand that outsourcing is favored by the Republican party more so than the Democrats right??
Obama is intitled to his own opinion, but if he makes this a national law then there is a big problem. Leave it to the individual states to solve this issue. Majority of states does not want this law, even the liberal California voted against it. Let the people of the states decide on this. It is a shame that you force this issue to people who is against this, which by the way majority of Americans does not want, by making this a national law.
+Benedict Joyce Obama doesn't have the authority to make this a national law. We have these two things called the Senate and the House of Representatives, remember???
Remember National Healthcare? That is why it is so important to vote commonsense conservatives in that house.
Remember he didn't do that by himself though…. Do you understand how our Legislative branch works?? Remember Checks and Balances from 6th grade social studies??
I think I'm done commenting on this post. There are 8th graders in France that have a better understanding of US politics than US citizens commenting here. Better English as well. Some people in this thread should seriously think about picking up a book sometime instead of saying ignorant stuff that is erroneous on the Internet and making themselves look like fools.